personal growth.
most people are angry at themselves for not seeing it sooner and they just blame the wtbs.
if it was not them there would be something else that 'filled their need' and would have ensnared them.
Font/color.
Since I started the thread I thought I would make it easy to identify my answers/comments. But thank you for the, no doubt, well intentioned advice just the same. Do you see the irony in feeling free to comment on a choice as trivial as font color and yet you condemn the WTBS doing the same thing in peoples lives? Who's the newbie. If you are going to leave it behind, leave it ALL behind.
personal growth.
most people are angry at themselves for not seeing it sooner and they just blame the wtbs.
if it was not them there would be something else that 'filled their need' and would have ensnared them.
One more thing, I in no way mean to trivialize the pain of anyone. I feel sad for all the pain the WT has caused and continues to cause. They are just one in a long line before them and no doubt after them. My spouse( < intentionally vauge ) has made the same argument about how mad - has become. - came into the B org early in life, me late. I have seen how the power and the pain is stronger the earlier it came to affect you in life.
As far as thinking people are idiots. That is unkind to say, I think people are generally trusting and good. If someone wants to exploit that, it doesn't make that person and idiot because they were victim 'izable'. It makes this 'real life' plain and simple. The best we can do is try to avoid things like that, but when they do, try to learn from them. Life is too short to not move on as quick as we can.
Someone also said, "empty the mental hospitals with that thinking". Give me a break. I'm not claiming that persons with clinical issues can be cured by shouting "get over it!" at them. Conversly, they will not be helped by people who have no professional training in the area of their particular abuse/problem.
Don't vilanize me, if ANYONE felt comfortable with me and talked with me about their problems & pain, I would "weep with those who weep" and go on to offer whatever comfort I could for your pain. I wouldn't use it as a soap box to air my own laundry.
personal growth.
most people are angry at themselves for not seeing it sooner and they just blame the wtbs.
if it was not them there would be something else that 'filled their need' and would have ensnared them.
No, I don't think that the victim's are to blame. But you are going to get NOWHERE when there is no one in authority who is directly responsible for policy. Someone used the term con man, WHO is the con man here. I never said their is not a responsible "entity". I didn't say there is no victim. But there is soooo much energy spent on things that do NOT help the healing and growth process.
I had a dealing with a con 'woman' that took me for $27K, yes she was good, she appealed to things I wanted and "I" & I let her in. She ended up going to jail for doing the same thing to other people which totaled over $700K. It made me a feel a little better when I was on the witnesses stand. But I still had to pick up the peices. Had she not been been prosecuted I would have just stalled my financial recovery focusing on the reasons WHY WHAT SHE DID IS WRONG and how she should stop. NO ONE is listening. Especially when their means of life (Bethel) would be dismantled in the end. I can fully understand empathetic support. But that support should focus on your personal damage with a goal toward recovery and how best to assemble your life from x point. I doubt there are few here that have not read Crisis of Conscience & Search for Christian Freedom. In all Franz's musings he never really attributes blame to one person with wicked intent. ( I'm not ignoring the fact that Rutherford was no doubt a pr*ck by most assesments ) He in fact says that religious reform movements eventually tend toward a core of central authority with depressing consistancy and results. Did/do they use mind control tactics on purpose or not? Who cares, what will get you free of it! Are they aware of the pain they caused by allowing some person to be abused and their accuser go free with no repurcusions? Some may, and with the exception of a the descendants of Hitler, I don't think anyone who is given the opportunity to hear the effects of some policy they laid down would not feel genuine remorse and wish their was something they could do. Now excuse me if that presents the WTBS in a favorable light for a second. But you must consider that it has simply become a beaurocracy, unfeeling, uncaring & remote. This doesn't mean there are not real people with real good intent inside. The same is true of the US government. Do you really think most people go into politics thinking of slush funds and bribes? Fred Franz ( I beleive ) said, "if we give them that much freedom there is no telling what they will do." You are now thinking like them. People are for the most part good, and don't wish evil on you. Organizations on the other hand are a complex beast that have no human emotion.
In the end, my point is this. This is how it should play out, you know you got screwed, then you find out who did it, then you get pissed, sad, THEN it's time to do something about it for YOU. Find where you have been dumped and run like hell to catch up with your life. There is much life destroying energy in hate and contention. Find who you love, what you love & pour all your heart and soul into that. Don't forget your past, learn from it, be determined never to let it happen again. But if your past is a nightmare, don't spend your time living in it. Leave it behind and move on.
IMHO
personal growth.
most people are angry at themselves for not seeing it sooner and they just blame the wtbs.
if it was not them there would be something else that 'filled their need' and would have ensnared them.
personal growth. Most people are angry at THEMSELVES for not seeing it sooner and they just blame the WTBS. If it was not them there would be something else that 'filled their need' and would have ensnared them. The Jews in Jesus time didn't sit around whining about the rules that the Pharisee's ( < spelling ) set up. It was a fact of life. The rules are great if you are a pharisee cuz you get all the perks. The let down comes when you realize you will never be one, or if you are one, when you suddenly stop one day and realize what that you got caught up in some stupid ritualistic routine after you have already wasted many years on it and hurt a lot of good & not so good people along the way. The fact remains, Jesus left a model for us to follow, nothing the misguided in Walkill can say affects that basic truth. OK, flame on.
dear brothers and sisters,.
i martini, will confide in you that i have become a neutral jehovah's witness.
i wonder if i'm not coining a new phrase here!.
This is some solid reasoning that I can get into.
dear brothers and sisters,.
i martini, will confide in you that i have become a neutral jehovah's witness.
i wonder if i'm not coining a new phrase here!.
Hey this guy has GOT IT TOO!!!
i have been a jw for more than 10 years and less than 30. i'm not naive about the ways of the borg.
i was a hot shot jw at one time, one of the few that enjoyed 90% acceptance from my audience.
this is one of the things that has brought me some trouble.
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No, I get it.
When I say serving Jehovah, I mean JUST that, serving him by way of the example that his son Jesus Christ left for all of us to follow.
Vauge because too many people I know who can't be trusted, read this information. It's a very difficult challenge for many.
i have been a jw for more than 10 years and less than 30. i'm not naive about the ways of the borg.
i was a hot shot jw at one time, one of the few that enjoyed 90% acceptance from my audience.
this is one of the things that has brought me some trouble.
Your really having a hard time with this huh?
i have been a jw for more than 10 years and less than 30. i'm not naive about the ways of the borg.
i was a hot shot jw at one time, one of the few that enjoyed 90% acceptance from my audience.
this is one of the things that has brought me some trouble.
I thought I did state why I was posting. Perhaps there is still some difficulty seeing the truth without having to read between the lines ;-)
Yes my wife is a VERY regular reader. She is very nuerotic about it though. She thinks the Borg is going to come busting our door down any second and DF her.
After reading some peoples experiences, I guess it's not that far fetched.
i have been a jw for more than 10 years and less than 30. i'm not naive about the ways of the borg.
i was a hot shot jw at one time, one of the few that enjoyed 90% acceptance from my audience.
this is one of the things that has brought me some trouble.
I have been a JW for more than 10 years and less than 30. I'm not naive about the ways of the Borg. I was a hot shot JW at one time, one of the few that enjoyed 90% acceptance from my audience. This is one of the things that has brought me some trouble. I learned that if you start making too much sense, and too many people listen to you, it is a power that brings fear into the hearts of elders. I must say I'm a lover of life with little ambition to take on the Borg. I have learned a lot about what the truth is from them and they have given me prime examples of what it should NEVER be or be about. I'm quite content to sit quietly ( very hard for me ) on the sidelines and be a force for good in anyone's life that reaches 'the crossroads.'
I don't really know why I'm posting, my wife ( yes I enjoy the privelidge of being on the same page with her, don't have to hide ) asked me why I'm posting and I guess I just feel a sense of connection to those of you who "get it". IE J.T., Just two laws etc.
I look forward to many years of serving Jehovah faithfully and encourage all of you to remain faithful to HIM in word and deed.
Sincerely,
The new guy
